Curse

Kaleban · May 25, 2007, 05:05 AM // 05:05

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Originally Posted by Gaile Gray

Brilliant gameplay against solid game design, or a bug or exploitable bit of code that needed fixing? You figure it out.

I suppose the fact that those same enemies drop nothing to a lvl 20 character, and it was only AFTER the introduction of Hard Mode and the global level increase (George Lucas's ham fists keep coming to mind) that the problem occurred is irrelevant? Right, solid game design.

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Originally Posted by Gaile Gray

Edit: We are not against farming. We've lifted the blooming anti-farming code!

We're against leaving in place an error that resulted in those capitalizing upon it gaining undeserved income, putting a hit on those who did not know of the "something" or chose not to use it.

For all we as players know, ANet simply removed the warning message and left the code in place. Based upon my solo farming in Hard Mode experiences so far, its a mixed bag that seems to side with some form of anti-farm. The first week of Hard Mode seemed to have a good increase in items, and its dropped off sharply since then. As I posted in another thread, I can do 20 runs or more of certain bosses, and get no drops five times in a row, a small amount of gold, a non-max blue item, or other garbage. Solo.

Lastly please don't put out a "hit" on innocent players, because it seems that's the general trend, to alienate the casual player to keep the hardcore interested, such as those willing to grind for titles and such. Also, please remember, the "error" or "exploit" or "cheese" (take your pick) didn't exist until ANet implemented a global difficulty increase without first looking into areas like Urgoz to see what possible effects it might have had. Slam slam slam go the ham fists...

Jetdoc · May 25, 2007, 05:05 AM // 05:05

Thank you very much for fixing the Urgoz disaster. People are arguing semantics, but in the end, it was a brainless way to slaughter enemies. That is exactly what GW is NOT about.

manitoba1073 · May 25, 2007, 05:05 AM // 05:05

Not to mention that for 2 yrs you guys vehemtly denied that an anti-farm code even existed.

Jetdoc · May 25, 2007, 05:08 AM // 05:08

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Originally Posted by VitisVinifera

The way it was intended to work was to prevent 55's, and as such, it worked precisely as intended, like those chained soul guys in TOPK. Simple as that.

..but the "chained soul guys" in ToPK do not drop anything.

Kaleban · May 25, 2007, 05:09 AM // 05:09

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Originally Posted by Jetdoc

..but the "chained soul guys" in ToPK do not drop anything.

They're also not infested terrans that insta-gib you if they touch you.

[edit]I guess introducing various AI enemies into certain popular farming areas to counter specific builds that were efficient at what they did isn't considered against farming, according to some of the logic in this thread.

For the last time (yeah, right) why not simply have the unpaid interns responsbile for wrecking the game at every turn instead just monitor and ban proven bot accounts? Such as the ones that are offering to sell gold in all chat that MUST be screencapped several times a day and sent to tech support...? Or the ones that are still mass farming certain mission areas in droves?

I guess, me being a silly and naive and, according to Gaile, "delusional" player means I must be completely unqualified to voice anything resembling an honest opinion, or gasp, venture forth a fact! Heaven forbid!

Perhaps ANet is just full of George Lucas clones? Now THAT's a scary thought lol.

Feminist Terrorist · May 25, 2007, 05:12 AM // 05:12

Yo, Anet, my ele's face is still effed up. When will that get fixed? :/

VitisVinifera · May 25, 2007, 05:13 AM // 05:13

my point about the TOPK guys is neither that they insta-gib you, nor that they don't drop loot. It's that they are a somewhat contrived afterthought put in to stop 55's (wait, didn't Gaile JUST say they weren't against farming?). They cheese 55's just as much as trappers were cheesing them. Anyways, the point is that they were functioning exactly how they were meant to, contrary to what Gaile claimed.

mazey vorstagg · May 25, 2007, 05:17 AM // 05:17

woot!!! I love the new armor job

lucan hammercrest · May 25, 2007, 05:19 AM // 05:19

And if you really want to fix the game Set it up that both PVE and PVP players get a chance to get the same skins... If you really wanted to get rid of the bots u would have already but i didn't see anyone from Anet checking out Ascalon international dist nor complaining about gold being sold there from websites its almost like its Anet is selling the gold to make more cash.... Listen u gave the PVP peeps Mursaat Hammers and Bows give us the Crystalline Sword drops in PVE.... Some people dont like pvp and the same can be said for pve but one group should not benefit more then the next... You say anet wants to be fair like I stated before look at the market and tell me whats fair

Living Parasite · May 25, 2007, 05:21 AM // 05:21

Doesn't matter. The way the PvP 'Rewards' system works, you don't have to be worried about seeing PvP chars with rare skins.

fenix · May 25, 2007, 05:22 AM // 05:22

Gaile:

A BIG <3 for the update, the armor changes are AMAZING, so I love you guys for that

(my PvE chars are so much better off in PvP now, cheers)

BUT...the Reward Point system, it leaves a bad taste in my mouth thinking about the number of unlocks that I'll have to get in order to even LOOK at the good skins. I think it should be made an unlockable skin system, because even then, you'll still need the 50 of the previous skins, but if you delete them, you won't have to get them again, or worry about losing the Reward Points for nothing.

Levi Garett · May 25, 2007, 05:23 AM // 05:23

I think there's enough enchantment removal to ensure there was never going to be solo farming in the elite missions.

You guys need to get a grip that was the worst farm ever. Like I said before it was Cheesy as hell. Thank you Gaile for backing up my Cheesy statement.

Honestly it wasn't even that great of a farm. There are much better places that yield better Gold per Hour. The only decent thing about that farm was the 1 in a 1000 chance of getting a nice Zodiac item. If you want a Zodiac item that bad then try a trapping group or splinter group in Hard Mode. Even better now you can actually get inscribable Zodiac items from the end chest.

It's pretty sad that we have all this QQ'ing after being given one of the best updates in a long time.

Gaile don't worry there's more people that are enjoying this update than the handful of QQ'ers here that want their mindless Urgoz Spirit "Farm".

HKSdivision · May 25, 2007, 05:25 AM // 05:25

Will some of you just quit crying about the Urgoz nerf. It's been done so get over it and find something else to do.

Kcp · May 25, 2007, 05:26 AM // 05:26

Quit crying about urgoz, you can't honestly be able to tell yourself that it wasn't an exploit. It should have been fixed the same day it was posted, that's the only reason there is to be mad about the urgoz situation.

Good job anet.

zwei2stein · May 25, 2007, 05:28 AM // 05:28

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Originally Posted by Jetdoc

I agree. At least on the pre-existing collector helmets they could've made them so we could have Radiant insignia attached to them. I understand why they made newly obtained collector's items without insignia (because people would farm them and salvage them), but it sucks for those of us who had them.

Oh well, it's only money. I need to go shopping for new armor combos.

It's also lost time.

There would be nothing wrong allowing them to be famerd for radiant at first place, radiant prices could use some reduction (especially now when everyone will be buying lotsa them for new armors.).

given that i used collector helmets whenever possible, GG anet, way to spoil great update, GG. (and is there something wrong with using collector armor in general? its not like adding insignia would make them imba)

manitoba1073 · May 25, 2007, 05:33 AM // 05:33

Well i just out it its more places than just Urgoz where this happens. Try killing something with a crusher you dont get exp from that either now. wonder if catapults in some mission now are whacked also just like this.

However though Levi yes it might have been cheese but not any amount of an exploit or that you could get insame amounts of money from doing it either like some have claimed.

**cosyfiep** · May 25, 2007, 05:33 AM // 05:33

My monks (all three of them ) are jumping for joy at the new armor!

Thanks for listening to us Anet!

Yuki got a new head tat and my newest monk cant wait to get to the grotto now!

and insignias....thats good too (I hope, havent looked hard enough at it, but its something we asked for so I am happy its finally here!)

imkey · May 25, 2007, 05:34 AM // 05:34

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Originally Posted by Gaile Gray

income for just about zero effort.

I wouldn't say zero effort...
I hope you do realize how freakin boring this farm run is compared to others... Try doing it for an hour straight. You'll get on average 8 golds. 80% of golds are vendor trash.

The reward of a few good items and some gold is barely enough to justify the "boring as heck" farming run the player had to do to make ends meet. This run was not FUN at all.

Kaleban · May 25, 2007, 05:35 AM // 05:35

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Originally Posted by Gaile Gray

Sure some of you like the loopholes. Sure some of you don't like getting stopped from a fountain of income for just about zero effort. Pennies from heaven and all that. But despite comments to the contrary, those were ill-gotten gains, far in excess of that intended, far over what you could or should realistically earn in any given period of time.

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Originally Posted by Levi Garett

Honestly it wasn't even that great of a farm. There are much better places that yield better Gold per Hour. The only decent thing about that farm was the 1 in a 1000 chance of getting a nice Zodiac item.

To the ones asking me and others to "quit crying" you're missing the point. I've never farmed the Urgoz run, hell, I didn't even know about it until recently, and then I didn't think it was worth the time and effort for, as Levi puts it, a 1 in 1000 effort.

My point is that instead of trying to approach problems and issues with elegant or well thought out solutions, ANet chooses instead to create solutions that frankly are as bad or worse in concept than the problem, then have Gaile try to smoothe things over, a job I would not envy, given ANet's rather rediculous overt stance on several issues despite their actions directly contravening what it is Gaile says!

I'm trying to show you people that through logic and reasonable thinking, one could accomplish the same solutions without drastic game changing issues. To mention a couple:

Soul Reaping
Economy "Re-balance"
Hard Mode Exemptions
Non-static Inscription Pricing
Etc.

While I think at its core GW was a great game, there have been so many alterations and weird decisions, its like watching the process of Michael Jackson from when he was in the Jackson 5 to present day. Scary, disturbing, and yet, difficult to not watch.

Nomen Mendax · May 25, 2007, 05:39 AM // 05:39

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Originally Posted by Gaile Gray

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Edit: We are not against farming. We've lifted the blooming anti-farming code!

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Which of course ANet did at the same time that it introduced loot scaling that made many normal mode farming runs pointless. So it's hardly proof that ANet is not against farming.